"WHAT'S INITIATIVE?!?!" is likely what you're thinking, but before I invoke any more fury,please, let me explain my confusion.

the 3rd phase of any turn is the initiative phase: "Every player's warlord simultaneously rolls for initiative. The warlord rolls a die and" ... etc etc etc. this roll is "initiative", hence an "initiative" roll.

there are plenty of cards (actions, and deverian characters in particular) that give bonus's to initiative rolls. There are also a decent array of cards which react off of initiative:

sir willems react: after an initiative roll
sir edgard rellion react: after you lose initiative
sulack bloodgullet react: after you roll initiative

so finally to get to my point... is there a difference between an initiative roll, and "initiative", which could be the singular event of the initiative roll during the associated phase. So if my card reads, as the example of sir edgard rellion did "react: after you lose initiative" can i use his react off of any generated initiative roll? OR is there really that difference between the two.
Initiative is an initiative roll,
but an initiative roll is not "Initiative"

and hence, we've come full circle, seeking guidance from the masses. Enlighten me oh wise ones

Good question, made me check the rules a bit.

Sir Willems and Sulack react off the same thing, an initiative roll. Alas these are old cards and do not conform to a single word format.

Winning initiative (as per Sir Edgard) to me reads as the initiative for the turn, ie what happens in phase 3.



To me is correct. Winning an initiative roll is not the same as winning initiative. As such Sir Edgard can't trigger off Helm of Swiftness.

well, i suppose it's worth mentioning that after paroozing the spoiler Helm of Swiftness is literally the only card in all of warlord to ever generate an initiative roll that isn't part of phase 3.

Kermenes the Spry
Malcolm Aedroud

not the only, but these are the only two other I found.

Oh cool, I missed those two. They seem to stick to making initiative rolls, instead of initiative

Generally, reacting to winning or losing initiative can be only triggered by the init phase.
I say 'generally' because there are two standouts that were obviously meant to be able to take advantage of the Devs that could roll init more than once per turn -- Adina and Sir Willems.

Cards like the Helm will trigger reacts to the process of all players rolling init, such as Serj Vorvallyn and Whizzwhir.

Make sense?
-VIC

So in trying to establish a definition, we could say:
an initiative roll is similar to a check, in that some cards may ask you to "perform an initaitive roll (dc X)" for some effect
while Initiative is both players making seperate Initiative rolls, and comparing the results to determine a winner.

Just making sure i understand the process before i start trying to build a deck around this synergy between devs, the helm of swiftness, and initiative rolls

apart from the fact an init roll is always an opposed roll, not against a target DC.

The newer cards don't specify "YOUR" initiative roll.

Does this mean they can react for BOTH warlord's initiative rolls?

Rabinus the Elder
Serj Vorvallyn

when you roll off initiative against your opponent, both of you rolling together makes for 1 initiative roll. If you tie and must re-roll, it is simply a re-roll (like charisma) and therefore not a 2nd initiative roll.

Serj Vorvallyn does not react. It's a static effect.