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[Hordes/Warmachine] The Elephant in the Room 
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Thanks, I'm going to see what I can get them to do. I'm bankrolling the books so far (I enjoy reading the fluff so it's not terribly out of my way). The other two are a recent MA grad/new doctoral candidate (very poor) and a hyper active ADD girl that owes the house money so I've been forbidden from encouraging her to have a large force (trying to get her to take the Khador I inherited).

On a more productive note: Battle Engines, what do you think of them? My only exposure is the pics the Penny Arcade guys uploaded of the Everblight one.


Battle Engines
Warmachine
Menoth: Best of the Bunch
Cygnar, Khador & Retribution: They are all solid models and if you like the sculpt, pick them up.
Cryx: This is BAD.

Hordes
Trollkin, Legion & Circle: They are all solid models, but I think the Trollkin one is the best, because its Cavalry and can trample.
Skorne: THERE IS NO COMBINATION OF SKORNE MODELS THAT ADD TO THE SAME COST AS THIS THAT I WOULD NOT TAKE OVER IT. THAT EVEN INCLUDES TWO MIN UNITS OF SLINGERS AND A FERALGEIST.
THIS MODEL DEFINES BAD.

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Finished the repaint and assembly of My Cryx Box today. Pics on my Facebook if interested.
Going to pick up a Skarlock Thrall and the Cryx cards & book this weekend. Also decided that I want to play around with Circle on the Hordes side of things and pick up Mohsar to paint as I wait for the others to pick their forces.

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Painted up my Manhunter in the past week. Was testing out some rustic colors to be used on my Widowmakers later.

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And now I feel like all my work looks like crap... LOL I like it.

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New league underway, forgot to post last week's games. Games so far this week. Two 15 point games. One 50 point game.

First game was the 50 pointer with the bizarre, you have to have twice as many points in Warbeasts as you do in other models. Okay so I had to get a bit creative since I <3 the skorne infantry so much.

Here was my list
eHexeris
* Archidon
* Bronzeback Titan
* Cyclops Shaman
* Titan Gladiator
* Titan Sentry
Max Nihilators
Min Venators + UA
Min Paingivers Beast Handlers

Opponent played the following Tier 4 list
eKaya
* Laris
* Feral Warpwolf
* Gnarlhorn Satyr
* Pureblood Warpwolf
* Warpwolf Stalker
Druids + UA
Shifting Stones + UA
Shifting Stones
Min Skinwalkers
Druid Wilder

I go first, Advance my Sentry up slightly in advance of the rest of my army, with Locker up and Ashen Veil cast on it. Beasts in the center, Nihilators on left flank, Venators on right.
He goes all out Feats, hits it with the Warpwolf Stalker, the Gnarlhorn hits it, and the Feral finishes it off. This leaves his Pureblood out of range. He migrates his army to the FAR left side of the board. SIGH.
My Nihilators engage all of his infantry, and get Ashen Veil cycled over to them. I manage to tie up most of his beasts with the Nihilators at effectively Defense 15 and timely tough rolls, this allows me assassinate Kaya with Hexeris and then work his beasts down because they became autonomous. Silly Scenario

Game 2 15 points
My list
Xerxis
* Bronzeback Titan
* Titan Gladiator
Min Paingivers

Opponent
Bloody Barnabus
* Blackhide Wrastler
* Blackhide Wrastler
* Bull Snapper

I manage to get the charge and waylay one Wraster and do significant damage to the other. Barnabus gets the charge on Xerxis, but can't kill him (this was a mistake on my part, First time playing Barnabus and flat out missed the *REACH* symbol on his card when I was looking over what he did). I thought I was an INCH out of range when in fact I needed to .6" further back. Whoops. But Xerxis is strong and had like 7 health left (after 2 transfers). I Combo Smite Barnabus into Oblivion.


Second 15pt game
I ran the same list

Opponent
eMadrak
Mulg, the Ancient
Troll Axer
Nyss Solo with Hunter's mark.

We dance around the objective because I used my paingivers to screen my beasts and Xerxis, A well placed Warpath allows Mulg to get a trample off, but he failed to kill a Defenders warded Xerxis. I end up with 9 health left on Xerxis. Mulg only hit once out of 4 attacks. But he did hit for 10 damage, which was a roll of 11. I go all out, Smiting Mulg into the Axer Charging Madrak with the gladiator, forcing THREE tough rolls and he went 5,6,6 on the dice. I kill mulg, and severely hammer the axer. Sadly, my Free Strike damage roll with the Gladiator wasn't QUITE high enough to feed back to Madrak. Had the die roll be two higher.... madrak would have been knocked down and making another tough roll. Anyway, I had zero transfers, but Madrak hit with the axe and an impressive damage roll killed Xerxis. It was a well fought game, but ya know, sometimes Trolls just make tough checks. What ya gonna do except accept that 1/3 of the time the don't die all the time.

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Tonight's league games.

25 point team game skorne v Khador
Scenario is mosh pit. Their casters are pVlad and pButcher. They get to do both feats on second turn, and they absolutely wipe out most of our armies (eHexeris + Rasheth). We fight back, but the double feat turn was just too much for us.

35 point league game.
My list was
eHexeris
* Bronzeback Titan - bonded
* Titan Gladiator
* Aptimus Marketh
Max Nihilators
Min Venator Reivers + UA
Min Paingiver Beast Handlers.
Tyrant Commander & SB

Rasheth list.
5 x titan Gladiators
Max paingivers
Agonizer

I advance screening my units with Nihilators under Ashen Veil. Second turn I manage to mangle two of his gladiators, kill a third and lightly wound a fourth (knocking out spirit and slightly damaging mind).
This puts my bronzeback into position as the arc node as well as Marketh to put 4 Hellfires on Sir Fatty. I win on my second turn via assassination.

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And now I feel like all my work looks like crap... LOL I like it.


It's REALLY simple. Just put down basecoats of the colors you want, apply a liberal amount of Devlan mud wash, then clean-up the flat areas with your base color again where you want. Highlights can be applied after that but the only highlights I did on this model in particular were on his hat and his blade edges. Everything else is just a basecoat followed by a wash and voila!

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So tonight, I only managed to get one game in because it took so bloody long.

50 pts.

Xerxis
* Bronzeback Titan
* Titan Gladiaton
* Cyclops Shaman
* Cyclops Brute
Max Cetrati
Max Nihilators
Min Paingivers
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer
Aptimus Marketh

He played Jarl Skuld w/ Longriders, Hortol, Fell Caller Hero, Janissa Stonewall, Bomber, Impaler, Fenn Blades + UA (maybe something else.

Game went like this
Turn 1 advance
Turn 2, Begin Combat
His turn 3 -> Assassination run on Xerxis - FAILED
My turn 3 -> Try to assassinate Skuld - FAILED
His turn 4 -> Assassination run on Xerxis - FAILED
My turn 4 -> Assassination run on Skuld - FAILED
His turn 5 -> Assassination run on Xerxis - FAILED
My turn 5 -> Assassinatino run on SKuld - FAILED, but because I had managed to kill SO MUCH of his army, a combo smite slam from Xerxis and a throw by Bronzeback won me the game on Scenario.

The scenario in question - NO QUARTER - where you have to completely control a 36" by 8" box in the dead center of the board. Control it at the end of YOUR turn and you auto win the game. Effectively the game is an assassination scenario since th box is so huge its almost impossible to win via scenario. But guess what, I did. But seeing how I FAILED 3 assassination runs on a 15 DEF, 15 ARM caster who at NO point had a transfer, (really 3 Cetrati charged him, combined, under FURY and Xerxis' feat (MAT 10, 17+5d6 damage -> SNAKE EYES)) I don't know whether to be proud or ashamed.

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Got to the FLGS late this evening. Only had time for one game. Ended up being 15pt team game

My list
Xerxis
* Bronzeback Titan
* Titan Gladiator
Min Paingivers

Teammate's list
eStryker
* Ol' Rowdy
* Charger
* Charger
Squire
Corbeau


Opponent's Lists
Butcher
* Spriggan
Max Winter guard + UA
Kovnik Joe

eLylyth
* Ravagore
* Shredder
Blackfrost Shard
Totem Hunter

Xerxis w/ Defenders ward takes the brunt of the assault, by end of turn three has 8 health left.
Shredder directly in front of eLylyth. Xerxis feats, casts fury on Bronzeback, Combo smites the shredder into eLylyth.
Paingiver enrages Bronzeback, Bronzeback Charges eLylyth. Base 22 + 4d6. SPLAT.
Ravagore SPLAT
Spriggan SPLAT
Butcher retaliates, kills Bronzeback (SADFACE)
eStryker Charges Butcher SPLAT

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That Malexin and his fancy logic :hypnotized:


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Went home to MI for the weekend and played with my brother's small Cryx force since I didn't travel with my Khador.

Played a 25pt game using pDenny against Sloan. Scenario was Kill Field or something like that, it's where you divide the center of the board into 6 boxes and you need to control 2 on your side and 1 on theirs to win via scenario. Our lists were the following (might forget the exact Cryx names for things...):

pDenny
- Slayer
- Harrower
- 3x Nightwretch
Bane Knights (minimum)

vs.

Sloan
- Cyclone
- Defender
- Thunderhead
- Reinholdt

The game was somewhat lopsided in the fact that he had a [Censor: poo] ton of shooting, I had relatively slow and vulnerable models, I had no idea what to do with Cryx really, and the terrain on the board gave a pretty open field of fire in the center. He also rolled like a boss for damage with his Defender. That thing hit like a truck all game. He had two damage rolls of 17 on 3d6 at least that I recall. Yowch.

However, despite not killing a single one of his models I threatened wins on 2 turns via scenario conditions. I also forgot about the Vengeance rule for my Bane Knights which lost me 2 charge attacks on the Cyclone (which I almost killed despite that, 2x charge attacks probably would have wrecked it). If I'd been able to do that I think he'd have had a really tough time contesting me for scenario control.

In the end Kara got her assassination off because his Cyclone was able to kill my remaining knights when their charge failed to wreck it and so I had to bring Denny forward to try and do some damage. He got enough off on her despite being in cover, camping a focus, and having Parasite's +1 ARM.

All around it was a really fun game though and I liked playing Cryx. They are basically the polar opposite of my Khador so it was a good change of pace. For my first time with them I didn't do too terrible.

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I think you got the cryx names wrong because that list would be 29 points, not 25.

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I think you got the cryx names wrong because that list would be 29 points, not 25.


Slip of the finger, it was 2x Nightwretches, not 3x.

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Darguth wrote:
Malexin wrote:
I think you got the cryx names wrong because that list would be 29 points, not 25.


Slip of the finger, it was 2x Nightwretches, not 3x.



So the two Nightwretches were the arc nodes. Not sure I like them, while they do have a POW 14 weapon, its only range 6, and you can spend 1 focus to make it AOE 3". These seem solidly in the anti-infantry realm. These are not focus efficient jacks.
Then you have a slow anti-infantry heavy jack in the Harrower, that's POW 14 on the cannon and POW 16 on the melee weapon that has Thresher. This guy requires a lot of focus to get use out of 1 to run on the first turn, 3 on the second if you're lucky so you can charge him AND get off the a thresher + boosted attacks on at least two attacks to Soul token up, so he becomes efficient.
The Slayer is a good piece, but also needs a lot of focus to operate.

My opinion you had too many jacks that require focus allocation to function and you probably had to make a lot of hard choices as to what to allocate to.

The bane knights are fine although with Banes in the list, I think the Desecrator might very well have been a better choice.

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Darguth wrote:
Malexin wrote:
I think you got the cryx names wrong because that list would be 29 points, not 25.


Slip of the finger, it was 2x Nightwretches, not 3x.



So the two Nightwretches were the arc nodes. Not sure I like them, while they do have a POW 14 weapon, its only range 6, and you can spend 1 focus to make it AOE 3". These seem solidly in the anti-infantry realm. These are not focus efficient jacks.
Then you have a slow anti-infantry heavy jack in the Harrower, that's POW 14 on the cannon and POW 16 on the melee weapon that has Thresher. This guy requires a lot of focus to get use out of 1 to run on the first turn, 3 on the second if you're lucky so you can charge him AND get off the a thresher + boosted attacks on at least two attacks to Soul token up, so he becomes efficient.
The Slayer is a good piece, but also needs a lot of focus to operate.

My opinion you had too many jacks that require focus allocation to function and you probably had to make a lot of hard choices as to what to allocate to.

The bane knights are fine although with Banes in the list, I think the Desecrator might very well have been a better choice.


Yeah, these were the models I had on-hand :) They were bought second hand by my brother and the only models I had within about 1,500 miles :D

It was far from a perfect list, but the game was still fun and I did reasonably well all things considered. It has made me consider maybe collecting an Asphyxious list at some point :)

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Darguth wrote:
Malexin wrote:
Darguth wrote:
Malexin wrote:
I think you got the cryx names wrong because that list would be 29 points, not 25.


Slip of the finger, it was 2x Nightwretches, not 3x.



So the two Nightwretches were the arc nodes. Not sure I like them, while they do have a POW 14 weapon, its only range 6, and you can spend 1 focus to make it AOE 3". These seem solidly in the anti-infantry realm. These are not focus efficient jacks.
Then you have a slow anti-infantry heavy jack in the Harrower, that's POW 14 on the cannon and POW 16 on the melee weapon that has Thresher. This guy requires a lot of focus to get use out of 1 to run on the first turn, 3 on the second if you're lucky so you can charge him AND get off the a thresher + boosted attacks on at least two attacks to Soul token up, so he becomes efficient.
The Slayer is a good piece, but also needs a lot of focus to operate.

My opinion you had too many jacks that require focus allocation to function and you probably had to make a lot of hard choices as to what to allocate to.

The bane knights are fine although with Banes in the list, I think the Desecrator might very well have been a better choice.


Yeah, these were the models I had on-hand :) They were bought second hand by my brother and the only models I had within about 1,500 miles :D

It was far from a perfect list, but the game was still fun and I did reasonably well all things considered. It has made me consider maybe collecting an Asphyxious list at some point :)


I really like pGaspy as a caster. He reminds me of eHexeris with his ability to switch seemlessly between Plan A, Plan B and Plan C.

He can Arc Node Hellfire
He can load up his jacks with Focus, then feat, then Cast
He can do the job himself

While he may not be great at any of them, he's pretty good at all of them.

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