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Why does everyone think its about hating the poor?
The end game isn't "hate the poor." The end game is "make as much money as possible without causing the proles to rise up." The easiest way is to deflect, by telling the ever-dwindling middle class that they have to pay for the poor's social services, while the rich laugh their asses off.

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Well, for anyone not heavily liberal...the most densely populated schools in the city areas are EXTREMELY hostile towards anyone who is more conservative or republican, so much as to outright insult anyone who disagrees. Teachers are working class and want to help younger students as best they can, so it's obvious they would respect the more liberal views. I get that, but on more than one occasion my friends and I have witnessed teachers spewing purely racist views as well as COMPLETE promotion of communism in the USA. And it continues year after year. And people go along with it without a second thought.

And who are these rich people that are laughing their asses off? Have you met anyone who was HAPPY with the situation? Obviously there are [Censor: exit] with a lot of money, but there are also [Censor: exit] with no money, and [Censor: exit] with a lot of money who SAY they wanna help the people with less money. As much as I hate when internet arguments come back to this, its the same [Censor: poo] Hitler did when he promoted hatred of the Jews to direct attention towards a group of people in order to gain a following. I don't recall any point in history where a corporation controlled countries outright, but I can name a few dictators who took over in ways Obama has "helped" the poor and suffering.

EDIT: And why is the answer "take from the rich" when the government is just as bad as some of those corporations? If there is no rich, then there is only mediocre benefits for anyone not in power. At least when a corporation becomes too powerful, people can choose to put their money elsewhere if they don't like it. Who is gonna stop the government from doing anything until election time?

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The easiest way is to deflect, by telling the ever-dwindling middle class that they have to pay for the poor's social services, while the rich laugh their asses off.


The projected revenue streams I've seen for the PPACA are almost 8:1 when it comes to tax increases on the wealthy individuals or corporations versus individuals (Source). Anyone know of different estimates?

However, I do agree with your general point. Both major political parties are basically in the business of squeezing our nuts and making us dependent on them while lining the pockets of their buddies with our tax dollars and our labor.

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Well, for anyone not heavily liberal...

You little [Censor: poo].

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the most densely populated schools in the city areas are EXTREMELY hostile towards anyone who is more conservative or republican, so much as to outright insult anyone who disagrees. Teachers are working class and want to help younger students as best they can, so it's obvious they would respect the more liberal views. I get that, but on more than one occasion my friends and I have witnessed teachers spewing purely racist views as well as COMPLETE promotion of communism in the USA. And it continues year after year. And people go along with it without a second thought.

Can you give me some examples of 'purely racist views' and 'COMPLETE promotion of communism in the USA.' I'm not saying they didn't happen (actually, I'll say that about the communism part), as racist [Censor: exit] work all sorts of jobs, but I'd like to see what these teachers are saying that they aren't reprimanded for.

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And who are these rich people that are laughing their asses off? Have you met anyone who was HAPPY with the situation? Obviously there are [Censor: exit] with a lot of money, but there are also [Censor: exit] with no money, and [Censor: exit] with a lot of money who SAY they wanna help the people with less money.

I don't meet millionaires and billionaires, so no, I don't know that many people that are truly happy with their situation. There are people who are doing a lot with their money (Bill and Melina Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg), but there are more who are doing nothing and worse (Koch Brothers come to mind) with their money.

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As much as I hate when internet arguments come back to this, its the same [Censor: poo] Hitler did when he promoted hatred of the Jews to direct attention towards a group of people in order to gain a following.

You right this is happening, but you're looking at it from the wrong angle. It's the poor and minorities who are labeled untermensch, people who struggle to get by in life and who's poor decisions in life cost them far more than someone better off.

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I don't recall any point in history where a corporation controlled countries outright, but I can name a few dictators who took over in ways Obama has "helped" the poor and suffering.

Look at the ways that that corporations are exploiting resources and workers in the third world. Sure, there's no country named McDonaldistan, but corporate control is out there and ever-reaching.

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Ive had two separate teachers, who should be teaching us how to make money, say I prefer communism, isnt it better having everything you need? then proceeding to tell the studentd we should donate work to the cause instead of make money off of it. I have two friends who, in both njcu and HCC have outright said that white people put down minorities and in turn the students had agreed out loud while givong even more extreme examples. It happens, a lot. And so what if the money is distributed to the poor? then it becomes more about power in government and we are right where we started, only government has MORE power than any corporation. And bad decisions DO cause problems, no [Censor: poo]. Thats twhy theyre consodered poor decisions, because if you make them you dont benefit. Im not against affordable healthcare but when did FORCING it become the correct option in a free country?

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Ive had two separate teachers, who should be teaching us how to make money, say I prefer communism, isnt it better having everything you need? then proceeding to tell the studentd we should donate work to the cause instead of make money off of it.

So? If you're teacher had said he was a staunch capitalist and that you should sell your work for as much as possible to help keep the free market economy going, should that offend someone who has different economic beliefs?

Fun fact: communism isn't inherently evil, though politically speaking, as a socialist, it's a real pain in the ass to get lumped in with them.

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I have two friends who, in both njcu and HCC have outright said that white people put down minorities and in turn the students had agreed out loud while givong even more extreme examples. It happens, a lot.

If they were teachers, that's not quite the forum for that discussion. If it's students, then I've really got no concern for what they say. They're really not wrong, though.

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And so what if the money is distributed to the poor? then it becomes more about power in government and we are right where we started, only government has MORE power than any corporation.

No, it becomes about power within the people! As long as money continues to stay at the top, the top will continue to wield increasingly large amounts of power in the political and corporate world.

Don't leave the corporations blameless while putting the politician's head on a pike for taking bribes.

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And bad decisions DO cause problems, no [Censor: poo]. Thats twhy theyre consodered poor decisions, because if you make them you dont benefit.

I hate to follow up your Godwin with a "won't somebody think of the children," but really, how is it fair to children of people who make poor decisions, and why shouldn't we as an enlightened and civilized society do our best to help them, rather than heap scorn.

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There are people who are doing a lot with their money (Bill and Melina Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg), but there are more who are doing nothing and worse (Koch Brothers come to mind) with their money.


I was all for Bill Gates philanthropy until he threw in with Monsanto. Also, Charles Koch helped found the Cato Institute. So I can't hate on him too much.

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